Michael Moores Sicko (about health care)

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Michael Moores Sicko (about health care)

Post by Lemmi » Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:40 am

the US health care system is a drain on the wallet, my mom and her husband pays $900 a month and not everything is covered, and what they do get covered its not 100%
i havent had insurance since 1999, a place to live has been more important than insurance right now, i could have insurance and live in a box or no insurance and live in a house, this is what 50 million americans are dealing with right now

what are your thoughts on your health care system, and especially socialized medicine

moore went to England, Cuba, France, and Canada, and he makes it out to be the best systems in the world for health care
every system has its problems

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Post by 3DOKid » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:34 pm

English health care. Do not, I repeat, do not, make me laugh. Between lack of everything (Nurses, Doctors, care, beds, equipment, drugs, etc.,) and the Great British apathetic attitude, a walking army of none-English speaking staff and no hygiene what-so-ever, hardly makes British hospitals a worldly example of running an overpaid shambles like the NHS.

All this makes going to the Hospital in England more risky than simply not bothering and hoping it either gets better, or hiring widow-rotten-twank, the herb dealer to rub you down in her tried and trusted hedgehog serum. Either of which are genuinely viable alternatives to actually running the gauntlet and letting an NHS quack anywhere near you.

I don't want to get all morbid - but shit NHS doctors killed my sister. Shit NHS doctors killed my mates new born baby. Don't get me wrong it's not entirely the doctors fault. It's a great thick layer of Tony Blair inspired socialist style bureaucracy that means the idiot middle manager moron at the top views some of the countries most educated minds (namely our doctors) with same contempt a farmer views battery chickens. Ergo - the British Doctors scamper off to get paid in private hospitals and the NHS (National Health Service) hire Gumbo, whose has significantly more experience of curing Swamp Fever and other exotic deseases than anything we may have gotten in this country - not that that matters of cause, 'cos Gumbo don't speak English anyway, and just ignores any medical conditions you may have by suggesting weight loss, more excercise or no smoking.

"...but Doctor I have a slashed armed, I can't smoke"
"...have you tried losing weight?"
"...my arms is bleeding - hello?"

Don't get me wrong - I don't have a problem with foreign doctors - I actually pity them having to work for the NHS - but being able to communicate in English, clearly, should be a minimum requirement.

So to summerise, I pay more TAX than most people earn, simply to prop up a lardy over beurocratic NHS and then I pay again for private healthcare which, like the American ones, hate paying out.

Michael Moore is anti George Bush is he not? He's just grinding an axe before election time surely?

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Post by 3DOKid » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:34 pm

...delete? I was just getting into that.

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Post by Lemmi » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:15 pm

im sorry but i couldnt sleep last night after seeing that movie, and i was hoping to remove all traces of it from my mind so i blindly deleted my comments
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Post by Lemmi » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:30 pm

and just ignores any medical conditions you may have by suggesting weight loss, more excercise or no smoking.
in the movie one doctor (in london) says that he makes more money if he can get people to stop smoking and lose weight and other things (the more he gets to do that the more he makes)

Michael Moore is anti George Bush is he not? He's just grinding an axe before election time surely?
this has a little to do with bush, but alot more to do with how we got to where we are now with HMO companies, Hillary Clinton started out being against the big insurance/pharmaceutical companies and has now switched sides

bush signed in 2003 an ACT that pretty much allows the pharmaceutical
companies to charge anything they want
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Post by NikeX » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:46 pm

In Germany 17.000 people are passing away each year in hospitals,
because of doctors making mistakes. That means: 44 each day.
Source: Patients assurance Study 2007
In United States 44.000 - 98.000 people are passing away because of
mistakes in hospitals. Seriously I ask myself what I'm more afraid of:
Terrorists or health care system?

I'm going to watch "Manufacturing Dissent" before I watch "Sicko".

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Post by Devin » Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:54 pm

I used to work for the NHS in the Biomedical department where we analysed exotic genetic diseases. We dealt with patients to get samples for testing, the environment was always very clean and modern. That said we didn't exactly have to deal with a ward full of patients. They just came in gave samples and left so it was easier to keep up together! For my qualifications the pay was terrible and the staff certainly didn't get the appreciation beyond the rewards of doing the job itself. For a fully qualified biomedical scientist testing for the likes of genetic traits and hereditary diseases we're talking around £17,000 a year and that includes 'on call duty' where you can be called in to conduct tests at any given time night or day.

After a short time I figured the NHS wasn't for me and now work for much more and have no need of my qualifications in my current job. Get rid of the bureaucrats and start paying the staff a decent wage giving them the respect they deserve to do the job. Also don't pay too much attention to the news here in Britain. The reports on the NHS although truthful are entirely misinformed. One recent article about MRSA I found quite laughable. Although hygiene is of course absolutely necessary they seemed to forget that it's the vigorous constant cleaning with various chemicals and the treatment of diseases with drugs that creates these 'superbugs' in the first place! It's a mechanism of artificial selection in the world of human germs so only the most potent strains survive. These have survived because of a hostile environment and have thus adapted to all known chemical (ie, drugs, bleach etc etc) agents, this has resulted in MRSA. So it's very tough to treat and avoid contamination without isolating every single patient.

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